But that was part of what it was all about, and some of that feeling rubbed off on me. The attitude there was, "We are going to build furniture for the people, were going to simplify everything, put things together with screws and bolts so they dont have to be expensive and anybody can afford them." For years I did kitchen cabinets and bookshelves and anything that came along. Everybody pooled their income and shared their jobs, too. So there was always work. Of course, if you made $3 an hour on a job, by the time we wage - shared it was about $1 an hour. But you could live for nothing in those days and everybody was having a very good time. By the mid - 1970s Boston University had started its Program in Artisanry, which provided rigorous training in furnituremaking technique. You knew people who went there —what impact did that have on you? Our shop was almost the opposite context from a fine woodworking school. Although in the beginning learning how to make things in wood provided me with an enormous amount of satisfaction, Ive never been a really fine woodworker.